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    Avinash Bellari
    Oct 30, 2020

    Existence principle

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    When the consciousness principle leaves a body, we call it dead or lifeless. This is easy to understand


    How do we understand existence principle with a similar example? For example, what happens when the existence principle leaves a chair?

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    Komal Prasad
    Oct 30, 2020

    Imagine an ice-cube in a glass of water. What will happen if the water principle leaves the ice cube?

    The question seems logically implausible because the water principle cannot leave ice cube. If ice melts, water merely changes from one form (ice) to another (water in the glass).

    1. Now, if we decide to call that unchanging principle behind the chair as ‘existence’.

    2. ‘Existence is permanent’. Chair can stay or leave, but existence cannot ‘leave’ the chair (by definition).

    3. If you take out chair from existence, what remains is existence.

    4. Even if every’thing’ leaves existence, existence alone remains. Poornasya poornamaadaya, poornameya avashishayte.

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    Avinash Bellari
    Oct 30, 2020
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    Thank you sir.

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    Peruvemba Subramanian Ramachandran
    Oct 30, 2020

    Sri Avinash; the existence-principle cannot leave a chair! Whatever 'is' is always 'is'. It is 'avinash'. Is-ness is always there in a thing. It can never become 'was'-ness. (its 'tense' is always 'present'. Taking your chair-example, we all have a facination for the chair(1); Is-ness also has it; it never leaves it. Like any politician; till Kaala, takes his/her charge. Even when chair is destroyed, the plastic 'is'; (now no more wooden chairs!), to be re-cycled, through the raddiwalla, into a new chair (punar-janma) ☺️


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    Avinash Bellari
    Oct 31, 2020
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    Thank you sir. I am kind of getting the idea. However I continue to be intrigued by the question "Existence principle is eternal and always there. Hypothetically, if we were to withdraw the existence principle from just one chair, what would happen?


    Based on your explanation of consciousness principle pervading only living things, does Atma then mean existence plus consciousness?

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    Peruvemba Subramanian Ramachandran
    Oct 31, 2020
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    Dear Avinash, re. your questions re. existence and consciousness, please listen again and again Dr. Sunder's presentation starting at around 35 mts into the video of 30th October, of the 13th chapter, and also Dr. Hegde's thereafter and also the last speaker, another speaker, Doctor Viswas, starting at 58 mts.

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    Avinash Bellari
    Nov 01, 2020
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    Sure sir. Thank

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